My first exam is tomorrow

"Goshen, formerly Darkcode" (thedarkestofallcodes) 01/23/2014 at 15:21 • Filed to: None

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I'm tired as fuck, will still be studying for a while more because precaution is good, although to be honest my head is pretty much broken at the moment. In the meantime for those of you who have already finished your studies (or haven't started them yet), have a pair of Triumphs. Wish me luck for tomorrow morning.

I'd really like Triumph to build a successor to the 955i Daytona. Kinda like, y'know...putting the 1050 engine in the Daytona 675R?

Xentron Holy Reaper of Worlds > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 01/23/2014 at 15:23

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Woo Midterms!

N/A POWAAAHH > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 01/23/2014 at 15:40

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It's only January! Is your semester 2 months long or something?

nlzmo400r > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 01/23/2014 at 15:50

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The 675 engine makes more power than the 1050 and weighs far less. What they need is a new liter sized engine with modern architecture. A 1050 swapped Daytona chassis (06+) would be a pig and not any faster than a stock one...trust.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > N/A POWAAAHH 01/23/2014 at 16:04

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1st semester is September-January, 2nd is February-June.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > nlzmo400r 01/23/2014 at 16:07

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It depends a lot. The 675 engine produces less power in the Street Triple than it does in the Daytona. Similarly, I imagine a Daytona 1050 would be much more powerful than the Speed Triple.

N/A POWAAAHH > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 01/23/2014 at 16:36

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Oh, is it high school exams? Or do you just have really long college semesters?

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > N/A POWAAAHH 01/23/2014 at 16:40

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I have really long college semesters. HS exams here are only during summer.

nlzmo400r > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 01/23/2014 at 16:40

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The 1050 is already tapped out was my point. The cylinder head design is ancient, the reciprocating parts are massive as is the engine itself. A fresh start is needed. To be competitive in modern 1000cc category, the triple would have to produce atleast 180hp. The current 130hp 1050cc triple wouldn't even get close.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 01/23/2014 at 16:55

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I thought I was the only T595 Daytona fan left...

The (pictured right) T595 Daytona in Tornado Red is the bike that made me fall in love with motorcycles.

They ruined it with the later Kawasaki-looking upper fairing and boring tail, and temporarily giving it a double-sided swing arm, which they shortly changed back.

Really... I have wanted to put a Daytona fairing on a 105oi Speed Triple for a while..

But a shop called Six Monkeys actually did it... a 675 Daytona upper fairing and headlights... and a custom lower... all on a somewhat modified (clip-ons and such) 105oi Speed Triple base bike.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 01/23/2014 at 16:57

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I had the opportunity to witness a yellow T595 in the flesh recently. One of the best looking 90s superbikes. (Although I do like the second series model).

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > nlzmo400r 01/23/2014 at 17:06

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One word...

TORQUE.

T595 Daytona was an alternative to a liter-class race replica in the 90's too, it wasn't a competitor, it was an alternative.

And T595 was the only one I could physically fit on, anyway, and was actually tractable on the street, not half-dead until the tach spun past 8000...

T595 was actually a rideable street bike that happened to look gorgeous with a full fairing.

Frankly, I wouldn't mind if there was a half-fairing option for the Speed Triple, as long as it would be better looking than the jelly-bean 955i Sprint RS.

I don't need the full fairing, I would just really like a real-world street/sport bike.

I don't want a cubist-nightmare-looking race-replica that rides like a track bike. I don't want a lifestyle-lying cruiser that can't turn, and I don't want a beak-bike that stands on stilts, but is too heavy to go off road anyway... not that I go off-road.

Daytona used to be like that... but bikes like that evidently don't sell in large numbers... people want a certain look (racer-wannabe, cruiser-faux-badass, or highway-terrain-explorer) evidently more than a good sporty street ride on a sleek and sporty bike.

And if 130hp and healthy amounts of torque aren't good enough... then a bike with more than that probably should be on the track anyway. Most street riders can barely keep >100 RWHP on a <500lb bike under control as it is. The rest is just magazine-stat bench racing.

nlzmo400r > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 01/23/2014 at 22:08

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True statements, but at that note, why the hell would you want a 'sport' bike for the street anyway? Why not just go with something naked like the Speed Triple which has the engine you apparently want, a more upright, comfortable position with more leverage (e.g - wide bars) and comfortable seating/footing position.

Call me what you will, but sport bikes are some of the worst street bikes. My daytona 675 is solely used at the racetrack where it is nothing short of AMAZING, while my street bikes(08 Speed Triple 1050 & '10 Multistrada 1200) have been faster AND more comfy in the real world day to day use.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > nlzmo400r 01/23/2014 at 23:53

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I don't mind the more up-right position, but having owned a bike without a fairing at all, a Honda Hawk GT, that I added a minimal fly-screen to... wind buffeting from an aerodynamically inefficient naked bike can get tiresome.

And aesthetically, at least some fairing makes the bike sleeker.

I classify a street-oriented sport bike as a bike that performs every bit as well as a rider can ask it to on public roads, but doesn't fall flat at lower speeds, or otherwise mostly exceed the capabilities of the rider, and the traffic laws.

A Daytona 675, and most other fully faired "sport bikes", I actually usually call race-replicas, for the reasons you state. Bad street bikes, but come into their own on a track.

As I said... a half-faired speed triple would be fine.

Other bikes I like:

BMW R1200S, K1200R-Sport (would love to see a K1600R-sport like Concept 6),

Moto Guzzi LeMans (would love to see a sportier 8-valve V12 Griso, or a much sportier California 1400)

Ducati Sport Classic 1000 sport with the half fairing, or an air-cooled Supersport. I like Monster, but it is kind of ubiquitous, and I would put an SS/CR style half fairing on it anyway. I have never been able to bring myself to like the tall-bike looks of the Multistrada... or the BMW R1200GS.

Suzuki SV1000S edges out Honda 996 Superhawk, and I do prefer twins or triples over most I4s... like Honda 919 and Suzuki Bandit. I wish Suzuki hadn't killed SV1000S, or would adapt the updated V-twin and new spar frame of the V-Strom 1000 that they just announced a little while back, into a street sport bike.

A road bike with better-quality suspension, brakes, well balanced ergos for comfort and rider mass placement, a torquey engine, but not a low-rev tractor engine, good looks, and a half fairing. Not a race replica, not a cruiser, and not an overly-tall gangly bike, either.

If the BMW Concept 90 had Duolever/Hossack suspension and proper bar and peg heights, it would be pretty darn near perfection. R90S was fantastic in it's day, and a classic now, but it wasn't like the S1oooRR is now.